Mushroom extracts
Mushroom extracts, explained properly
Extract, tincture, powder, fruiting body, mycelium, 1:4, 10:1.
Quite a lot of words for something sold in a very small bottle.
Here is what they mean.
What is a mushroom extract?
A mushroom extract is what you get when dried mushroom is soaked, heated or steeped in a solvent, usually hot water, alcohol, glycerin or a combination, and the liquid is kept while the spent mushroom is thrown away. The spent material is called the marc. The point is to pull compounds out of the tough cell walls of the mushroom into something you can actually take.
That is the difference between an extract and a plain mushroom powder, which is the whole dried mushroom, ground up. Neither word tells you how much mushroom went in, which part of the fungus was used, or what the solvent was. The label has to tell you that, and a lot of labels do not.
Jump to: fruiting body or mycelium, extract or powder, solvents, dual extracts, alcohol-free extracts, tinctures, the ratio, who made it, what we make.
The main kinds you will see
| Type | What it is | What to check on the label |
|---|---|---|
| Liquid extract (drops) | Mushroom extracted into a liquid, usually water plus alcohol or glycerin, sold in a dropper bottle | The ratio of dried mushroom to finished liquid, the solvent, the alcohol content |
| Dual extract | Two extraction stages, hot water and alcohol, combined | That both stages are stated, and the ABV |
| Glycerin extract | Extracted with hot water and vegetable glycerin, no alcohol | That it says glycerin, and that it does not call itself a dual extract |
| Powdered extract | An extract dried back down to a powder, often in capsules | The extract ratio, and any carrier such as maltodextrin |
| Mushroom powder | Whole dried mushroom, ground. Not an extract | Fruiting body, mycelium or biomass, and the amount per serving |
| Tincture | A loose market word, usually an alcohol-based liquid extract | What the seller actually did. The word alone tells you very little |
Fruiting body, mycelium and biomass
The mushroom you can see is the fruiting body, the reproductive part that pushes up to drop spores. The main organism is the mycelium, a web of fine threads running through soil, wood or whatever the fungus is feeding on. Mike has written about that side of it in The Mushroom Is Not the Organism. On a supplement label the words mean three different materials:

- Fruiting body. The actual mushroom: for lion’s mane the shaggy white cascade, for reishi the hard glossy bracket. Grown, harvested, dried, then milled or extracted.
- Mycelium. The thread network of the fungus. For supplements it may be grown in liquid culture or on a solid substrate.
- Biomass, or mycelium on grain. When mycelium is grown on grain such as oats or rice, the fungus never eats all of it, so the lot is dried and milled together. Part of what you are buying is grain. “Myceliated grain” tells you what the material is. “Full spectrum” does not.
| Fruiting body | Mycelium (liquid culture) | Mycelium on grain | |
|---|---|---|---|
| What it is | The mushroom itself | Fungal threads grown in a tank | Fungal threads plus the grain they grew on |
| Grain in the product | No | No | Yes, often a substantial part |
| Used in human trials? | Yes | Yes | Yes |
None of this makes mycelium a con. It is a real part of the fungus and all three forms turn up in human research. It also works the other way: the one trial that tested lion’s mane fruiting body head to head against a fruiting body and mycelium blend found neither beat placebo, so “fruiting body” describes the material, not a proven advantage. The details are on lion’s mane human research.
The useful thing is knowing which material you are buying. Grym uses fruiting bodies.
Mushroom extract vs mushroom powder
There are really three products hiding behind those two words.
Plain dried mushroom powder
Dried and milled, nothing taken out and nothing concentrated. Fungal cell walls are built largely from chitin, which your gut does not break down well, and plain powder does not dissolve. Stir it into a hot drink and you get sludge at the bottom, which is a big part of why Mike wrote Why We Don’t Sell Mushroom Coffee.
Liquid extract
The mushroom is extracted in a solvent and the liquid is bottled. That is what Grym Drops are. Liquid extracts are labelled dry mushroom to finished liquid, such as 1:4.
Powdered extract
The liquid extract is dried back to a powder, often by spray-drying, and usually put in capsules. Because the bulk has been left behind in the marc, the ratio is written the other way round: 10:1 on a powdered extract means 10 kg of dried mushroom went in to make 1 kg of powder. Some are dried onto a carrier such as maltodextrin, which should be on the ingredients list. Grym Oedran, when it is ready, will be a capsule of three powdered mushroom extracts, not plain powder.
| Dried powder | Powdered extract | Liquid extract | |
|---|---|---|---|
| What has been done | Dried and milled | Extracted, then dried back to powder | Extracted and bottled |
| Insoluble fibre and chitin | All still there | Mostly removed | Mostly removed |
| Dissolves in a drink | No, it settles | Largely | Yes, it mixes |
| How the ratio is written | Usually none | Mushroom in : powder out, such as 10:1 | Dry mushroom : finished liquid, such as 1:4 |
Which is better is less settled than the marketing suggests. They are different products and should be labelled as such.
Solvents: hot water, alcohol and glycerin
Mushrooms carry two broad groups of compounds that most of the research looks at. The polysaccharides, including beta-glucans, which hot water favours, and a range of less water-soluble compounds, including some triterpenes and lion’s mane’s hericenones, which ethanol extraction favours. There is no single solvent that gets everything, and every choice leaves something behind.
| Method | Tends to pull | Tends to leave behind | Alcohol in the bottle |
|---|---|---|---|
| Hot water only | Water-soluble compounds, including beta-glucans | Much of the alcohol-soluble fraction | No |
| Alcohol only (traditional tincture) | Alcohol-soluble compounds | Much of the water-soluble fraction | Yes |
| Hot water and glycerin | Water-soluble compounds | Some of the alcohol-soluble fraction | No |
| Dual: hot water and alcohol | Both groups | Less, but no method gets everything | Yes |
What is a dual extract?
Dual extraction means extracting the mushroom in hot water and in alcohol, usually ethanol mixed with water, and combining the two liquids. Some makers run water first, some alcohol first, some add a further stage and call it triple extraction. There is no single standard recipe.
“Dual extracted” describes a process. It is not, on its own, a quality score. Dual extraction is a method, not a quality score. It makes sense when you want both groups in one liquid. Ethanol extraction favours less water-soluble compounds including hericenones, while hot water favours polysaccharides. Our Lion’s Mane uses both steps, which is why we describe it as a dual extract. It is also worth knowing that no published human trial has yet used a liquid water-and-alcohol lion’s mane extract, so “dual extraction is evidence-backed” is not something anyone can currently claim, us included. The reason to choose it is chemistry.
Alcohol-free extracts and what glycerin does
You can make a mushroom extract without alcohol: hot water only, hot water and vegetable glycerin, a powdered extract, or an alcohol extract with the alcohol evaporated off, which the label should state. Vegetable glycerin is a clear, thick, sweet-tasting liquid made from plant oils, used widely in food, and at high enough strength it helps keep a water-based liquid stable.
Grym Drops Reishi uses hot water and vegetable glycerin, giving an alcohol-free extract.
Alcohol would favour more of some less water-soluble compounds, including Reishi’s triterpenes. Glycerin is therefore not a like-for-like replacement for alcohol, which is why this is described as a glycerin extract rather than a dual extract.
The hot-water stage extracts the water-soluble fraction, including beta-glucans.
Is a tincture the same as an extract?
Every tincture is an extract, but not every extract is a tincture. In herbal practice a tincture is material steeped in alcohol and water, then strained. Because an alcohol-only tincture leaves most of a mushroom’s water-soluble fraction behind, many mushroom “tinctures” are really dual extracts. Some sellers call glycerin products tinctures too. The name is a starting point, not an answer: check the solvent, the ratio and the part of the fungus.
Does a mushroom extract contain alcohol?
It depends entirely on how it was made. Dual extracts and traditional tinctures do; the ABV should be on the label. Glycerin and hot-water extracts do not. Grym Drops Lion’s Mane is 25% ABV. Grym Drops Reishi is alcohol-free.
The ratio: how much mushroom is in the bottle
On a liquid extract, a ratio such as 1:4 means 1 gram of dried mushroom is represented in 4 ml of finished liquid. A 50 ml bottle at 1:4 therefore represents 12.5 g of dried mushroom starting material. To work out any bottle, divide the volume by the second number.
| Ratio | 30 ml bottle | 50 ml bottle | Per 1 ml |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1:2 | 15 g | 25 g | 0.5 g |
| 1:4 (ours) | 7.5 g | 12.5 g | 0.25 g |
| 1:5 | 6 g | 10 g | 0.2 g |
Don’t ask how big the bottle is. Ask how much mushroom is actually in it. A 30 ml bottle at 1:2 represents more mushroom than a 50 ml bottle at 1:5. Check the ratio is dry weight, not fresh (fresh mushroom is mostly water), and remember what it does not tell you. A ratio is useful manufacturing information about the dry starting mushroom relative to the finished liquid. It does not by itself measure extraction yield, beta-glucan content, hericenone content or overall potency. Nor does it tell you which part of the fungus or which solvent was used. There is no verified beta-glucan figure published for the current Grym extracts.
Who made it, and where
Somebody grew the mushroom and somebody extracted it. Sometimes that happens in one place, sometimes the supply chain stretches across several countries.
For a UK food supplement, the label should identify the UK business responsible for the product.
The current Grym Lion’s Mane and Reishi are grown and extracted in Wales.
What we make
Two liquid extracts at the moment. Both use fruiting bodies, both are grown and extracted in Wales, both are 50ml and both are 1:4.
The extraction methods are different.
| Grym Drops Lion’s Mane | Grym Drops Reishi | |
|---|---|---|
| Method | Dual extract: hot water and alcohol | Hot water and vegetable glycerin |
| Alcohol | 25% ABV | Alcohol-free |
| Mushroom | Lion’s mane (Hericium erinaceus) fruiting body | Reishi (Ganoderma lucidum) fruiting body |
| Ratio | 1:4, 12.5 g of dried mushroom per 50 ml | 1:4, 12.5 g of dried mushroom per 50 ml |
| Ingredients | Lion’s mane extract, alcohol, water | Reishi extract, vegetable glycerin, water |
Cordyceps and Grym Oedran are in development. Their specifications will be published when final.
What the research does and does not say
There is human research on lion’s mane and reishi, and less of it than the marketing suggests. Most trials are small, many are commercially funded, and plenty found nothing between the groups. None of them tested our products, and evidence for an ingredient is not evidence for a particular bottle. The overview is on The Science, with every study on lion’s mane human research and reishi human research.
Questions people ask
Are mushroom extracts legal in the UK?
Lion’s mane and reishi are sold in the UK as food supplements, which cannot claim to treat, cure or prevent anything. Some other species and forms are novel foods and cannot be sold without authorisation, which is part of why our Cordyceps is taking time.
Are liquid extracts better than capsules?
Not automatically. A liquid is easy to measure and mix into a drink; a capsule is convenient and has no taste. What went in matters more: the part of the fungus, the solvent and the amount of mushroom.
How do I compare two mushroom extracts?
Put the labels side by side and look for the part of the fungus, the solvent, the ratio and the maker. If one is missing, that is your answer. Our label checklist turns it into eight questions.
Do you sell mushroom extracts wholesale?
Yes, to independent shops, hamper and gift businesses. See trade and wholesale.
Want the one-page label checklist?
Eight questions to ask of any mushroom extract label, ours included. Read them free on the checklist page, or have the one-page version emailed to you.